tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1542806651392353413.post3691691456157161955..comments2024-02-29T00:07:19.080-08:00Comments on Crunchy Chicken: Evolution, intelligent design and creationismUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger73125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1542806651392353413.post-70690148510511440382011-04-18T09:05:38.221-07:002011-04-18T09:05:38.221-07:00<<>>
Thank you, Brad, for your though...<<>><br /><br />Thank you, Brad, for your thoughtful response. I think what you say above is essential - and yet it is diametrically opposite to the hyper-individualism of American culture. I think that is where the struggle arises. One has to let go of the need for individual success, and instead take hold of the desire for community success, in order to make sense of the picture.Christinanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1542806651392353413.post-83575395343295575522011-04-18T07:24:30.421-07:002011-04-18T07:24:30.421-07:00@ Christina,
"evolutionary preferable trait&...@ Christina,<br /><br /><em>"evolutionary preferable trait"</em>. <br /><br />Someone on my draft horse chat board, several years ago, pointed out that improving the species (horses, in this case), depends not on the planned matings (preferential reproduction), but on the culls - those that aren't permitted to reproduce.<br /><br />My understanding is that evolution describes this Brad K.https://www.blogger.com/profile/18378344866487206569noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1542806651392353413.post-21682251037364979452011-04-16T08:30:55.129-07:002011-04-16T08:30:55.129-07:00What an interesting topic!! For the record, I cal...What an interesting topic!! For the record, I call myself an Occam's Razor atheist - meaning the simplest explanation is more supportable. In other words, it is preferable to state that the universe exists by unknown mechanism, than to state that the universe was created by a god who exists by unknown mechanism. But enough about me.<br /><br />What I find intriguing is that evolution and Christinanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1542806651392353413.post-33564437238795072272011-04-13T06:28:38.557-07:002011-04-13T06:28:38.557-07:00"Anna--It’s as if you’re scolding me for tell..."Anna--It’s as if you’re scolding me for telling the kids the Easter Bunny isn’t real." <br /><br />No, I'm saying that your tone is rude. Crunchy has many different types of readers from many different backgrounds, but the one thing that we have in common is that we share a passion for the environment, sustainability and homesteading. Name calling is out of place, mean and shows Annahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15016998095047124884noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1542806651392353413.post-85023229040578675122011-04-13T00:05:42.790-07:002011-04-13T00:05:42.790-07:00Deanna - To clarify, I don't see you trying to...Deanna - To clarify, I don't see you trying to convert people to evolution here. I was just making the point that some people are out there preaching their evolution message with the sole purpose of converting others.<br /><br />Thanks for being willing to dialog with people of different faiths/beliefs about this topic.April Alexanderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14284816070903462748noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1542806651392353413.post-32161070720764962062011-04-12T23:16:12.136-07:002011-04-12T23:16:12.136-07:00April - A large percentage of people that read my ...April - A large percentage of people that read my blog are Christian and, clearly, are very concerned about the environment and don't apply the "God's will" argument any more than the atheists I know. <br /><br />As for the advice, this is an open discussion with willing participants. I'm not trying to convert unbelievers of evolution so much as refute statements made in theCrunchy Chickenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10612320939936593420noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1542806651392353413.post-41596413275701023172011-04-12T22:53:04.530-07:002011-04-12T22:53:04.530-07:00I was just going back through the posts and saw th...I was just going back through the posts and saw this comment: "All the atheists I know are more likely to protect the planet because they don't have the idea of "it's God's will" to defend their actions or believe that God will fix things." I think this is a pretty broad label you're putting on those of the Christian faith here honestly. I personally feel itApril Alexanderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14284816070903462748noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1542806651392353413.post-63534843437393535552011-04-12T22:24:36.623-07:002011-04-12T22:24:36.623-07:00Ooops, that was April, signed in as Ron.Ooops, that was April, signed in as Ron.April Alexanderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14284816070903462748noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1542806651392353413.post-17436321865255932302011-04-12T22:22:04.531-07:002011-04-12T22:22:04.531-07:00Deanna, you replied "So, the idea that evolut...Deanna, you replied "So, the idea that evolution is faulty because it doesn't produce something "better" shows a misunderstanding." (I assume you were talking to me here.) I didn't infer that evolution is faulty because it doesn't produce something better - in fact I stated that evolution exists. I totally agree with what you had to say about evolution, age of theRon Alexanderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06425964506134214415noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1542806651392353413.post-39954563891834934862011-04-12T21:22:43.986-07:002011-04-12T21:22:43.986-07:00Kirsten - Evolution, most assuredly, can be recrea...Kirsten - Evolution, most assuredly, can be recreated in a lab and has been done countless times on drosophila and in numerous other experiments. (Here's a college course lab exercise if you don't believe me: <a href="http://www.faculty.virginia.edu/evolutionlabs/DrosophilaEvoBioscenev28-2p3-6.pdf" rel="nofollow">Evolution Lab with Drosophila</a>)<br /><br />Physics is indeed fluid. The Crunchy Chickenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10612320939936593420noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1542806651392353413.post-33902570602649046232011-04-12T19:52:17.680-07:002011-04-12T19:52:17.680-07:00Hi Crunchy-Please reread my posts, I think my inte...Hi Crunchy-Please reread my posts, I think my intent was misunderstood. All were in response to your question Does it Matter in sustainability if people believe in ID, Creationism or Evolution? My answer was NO. I said anyone with an ethic that cares about other people; Creationist OR Evolutionist has common ground to work together.<br /><br />I said not only does it NOT MATTER, I think it's bradhttp://highlyuncivilized.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1542806651392353413.post-76883158350913688472011-04-12T19:05:48.306-07:002011-04-12T19:05:48.306-07:00physics is completely different than evolution as ...physics is completely different than evolution as it can be recreated in a lab. you cannot do a science project on evolution. (Except maybe Lisa Simpson haha) Physics is not fluid. The fluidity of evolution only shows how little we know or will ever know about it. Don't get me wrong, we do live in an ever changing environment. But who is to say how or what changed anything? how are Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1542806651392353413.post-87515574971108585252011-04-12T16:16:50.618-07:002011-04-12T16:16:50.618-07:00Kirsten - Man's understanding of evolution is ...Kirsten - Man's understanding of evolution is fluid in that it changes dependent on when new discoveries and new scientific techniques come about. What we knew 100 years ago versus today and what we'll know in 100 years from now will, no doubt, be different as we will continue learning more.<br /><br />No scientist worth their salt would claim to "know everything that ever happened Crunchy Chickenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10612320939936593420noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1542806651392353413.post-6097912371095660202011-04-12T15:43:15.991-07:002011-04-12T15:43:15.991-07:00Evolution has become a religion it seems to me. T...Evolution has become a religion it seems to me. The kind of religion where anyone who thinks any different is just w.r.o.n.g.. The worst kind of religion. People thinking they know everything that ever happened and it is all for sure... and there is nothing else anyone can say about it. <br /><br />Just because their is different kinds of 'people' in fossils out there means nothing to Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1542806651392353413.post-29785029969205055572011-04-12T12:30:56.891-07:002011-04-12T12:30:56.891-07:00I'm going to have to agree with Grace here. Ev...I'm going to have to agree with Grace here. Even in the last two decades much has been filled in by way of "missing links" in the fossil record regarding the evolution of man. <br /><br />April - Humans didn't evolve from apes, we share a common ancestor that we branched off of millions of years ago. How would one, otherwise, explain the fact that we share over 95% identical DNACrunchy Chickenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10612320939936593420noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1542806651392353413.post-91260715590264354302011-04-12T11:32:44.991-07:002011-04-12T11:32:44.991-07:00The fossil record is very clear. There are no mis...The fossil record is very clear. There are no missing links left. We know how Modern Man came to be. We know how Chihuahuas and Jersey cows and Maine Coon cats came into existence. Evolution is valid, it is proven, and it is fact. It is just wishful thinking to deny it and I find it embarrassing and ridiculous when people bury their heads in the sand and pretend it isn't real because it Gracehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03986534679478221037noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1542806651392353413.post-66344220246917253242011-04-11T09:40:28.693-07:002011-04-11T09:40:28.693-07:00Brad, I just noticed your comment with the mosquit...Brad, I just noticed your comment with the mosquito example in it. Since you welcome it…<br /><br />Your point is taken about atheist land developers, greedy Vegas hedonists who don‘t choose to think at all, and the non-human-like conglomerates of capitalism, the corporations--although they are just as likely to hold some religious viewpoint as none. You seem to have the idea that as long as Amberleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17263433080321471482noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1542806651392353413.post-35077527998013336072011-04-11T08:52:11.406-07:002011-04-11T08:52:11.406-07:00@ Amberley,
I think you are missing a very import...@ Amberley,<br /><br />I think you are missing a very important point.<br /><br />Evolution applies in certain instances.<br /><br />Creationism and Intelligent Design serve other purposes that evolution doesn't address, and that many people have found not just useful, but life-changing and quite fundamental.<br /><br />We say, in my neighborhood, that one person's treasure is another Brad K.https://www.blogger.com/profile/18378344866487206569noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1542806651392353413.post-40067421134454716592011-04-11T08:42:08.123-07:002011-04-11T08:42:08.123-07:00Anna--It’s as if you’re scolding me for telling th...Anna--It’s as if you’re scolding me for telling the kids the Easter Bunny isn’t real. If you’re going to deny evidence, misrepresent scientific knowledge, and pretend that ignorance is somehow sacred then you *are* uneducated or indoctrinated (I didn‘t call anyone stupid). It does matter what reality is. Its not the same as having individual preferences. I’m not “being mean” just to be mean--to Amberleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17263433080321471482noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1542806651392353413.post-91985654569017745542011-04-11T07:18:58.146-07:002011-04-11T07:18:58.146-07:00@Amberly - some of your posts are not very kind an...@Amberly - some of your posts are not very kind and I find that very sad. Just because someone doesn't believe full-blown evolution to be true does not make them uneducated, stupid or indoctrinated. Evolution has never been proven - nor has Creationism. I am a Crunchy Born-again Christian. I love my God and I love all things natural, organic and sustainable. And that should be ok.Annahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15016998095047124884noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1542806651392353413.post-40977689800602744502011-04-10T21:34:11.111-07:002011-04-10T21:34:11.111-07:00I almost don't want to comment because of the ...I almost don't want to comment because of the immediate digs at religion in the comments. But I'm a Christian. I do believe in intelligent design. I'm not sure on evolution. I'll admit that I went to schools that taught creationism. I occasionally read up some on evolution and weigh what's presented. I'm not convinced though. <br /><br />However I've never found my Saponariahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07031420094002885893noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1542806651392353413.post-63644166492437629642011-04-10T19:53:20.696-07:002011-04-10T19:53:20.696-07:00Oh yeah, and about the second question, I think it...Oh yeah, and about the second question, I think it has more to do with the environment and less to do with beliefs. I have found many people with a broad variety of beliefs and ideas that really care about the place where we are living. And here in the south, believe me, it is HARD to find people that will actually understand evolution and yet some of them (small proportion but still some) go an Lolahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10489048151664504507noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1542806651392353413.post-24891861202993037352011-04-10T19:47:57.695-07:002011-04-10T19:47:57.695-07:00We evolved into what we are now. I don't deny ...We evolved into what we are now. I don't deny the existence of a creator but so far I have not had any scientific evidence that life on Earth was "created", while there is a plethora of evidence showing evolution of species.Lolahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10489048151664504507noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1542806651392353413.post-31857472580221516152011-04-10T19:43:59.628-07:002011-04-10T19:43:59.628-07:00Brad--biblical creation has already been disproved...Brad--biblical creation has already been disproved which is why ID was invented. Look up the history. And you are wrong if you think that a discovery of intelligent aliens having planted life here would disprove Darwinian evolution. It might answer questions associated with Abiogenesis but unless the aliens created all life from the same genetic material, systematically planted islands with Amberleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17263433080321471482noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1542806651392353413.post-36293372366095854722011-04-10T17:27:11.517-07:002011-04-10T17:27:11.517-07:00I believe the universe is a large place with many ...I believe the universe is a large place with many realms and dimensions with spiritual creatures who are all evolving. We are all here on earth to learn lessons of some sort, which I guess we really wont know until our time is done. All religions draw in different spirits/people for there own reasons/lessons... No one is right or wrong. We are just all on our own path.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com