tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1542806651392353413.post2702420445466560454..comments2024-03-26T00:14:00.509-07:00Comments on Crunchy Chicken: Forced background checks for IVFUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger31125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1542806651392353413.post-67285434385837462762009-09-08T11:08:07.663-07:002009-09-08T11:08:07.663-07:00not everyone is emotionally/mentally capable of ra...not everyone is emotionally/mentally capable of raising a child.<br />I don't think it's unfair to say that they shouldn't have children.<br /><br />I have no clue how you would enforce this though.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1542806651392353413.post-79384250371934834992009-09-08T04:55:36.939-07:002009-09-08T04:55:36.939-07:00Another idea, which could help to protect children...Another idea, which could help to protect children AND wouldn't reduce our basic rights too much : why not have something like classes to do for young parents ? Maybe some kind of check you have to do, but doesn't deliver any license. It would just deliver advices, and the occasion for government to determine which family is "risky", and has to be helped by a "social workerLilhttp://lil-dasn-les-nuages.over-blog.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1542806651392353413.post-4359129806736731182009-09-08T04:39:03.301-07:002009-09-08T04:39:03.301-07:00There are such checks to do before adopting, so wh...There are such checks to do before adopting, so why not before any procreation ? I don't really see the difference, it's all about having a child. So the most logical to me is that everybody has to check, or nobody at all ! I really think we are too much on this world, but I also think that reducing births are not the key to reducing "horrible domestic situations", because the Lilhttp://lil-dans-les-nuages.over-blog.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1542806651392353413.post-83007642707643523792009-09-07T08:40:36.181-07:002009-09-07T08:40:36.181-07:00I am an extreme proponent of "prove you can a...I am an extreme proponent of "prove you can afford to care for this baby BEFORE you have it." If it takes the government to police it, so be it. Draconian I know... but somethings gotta be done, we are WAY over populated. <br /><br />Well put Merri M and Anna IVF is elective and a privilege not a right.Jenniferhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14588440725660023871noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1542806651392353413.post-34193832904228994472009-09-05T14:55:40.277-07:002009-09-05T14:55:40.277-07:00All public school teachers in my state--including ...All public school teachers in my state--including me--must go through background checks and be fingerprinted to be licensed to work with other people's children. I take no issue with this and was not offended when I had to go through this, because I had nothing to hide or to be afraid of. It was just part of the certification process.<br /><br />In our society, anyone can have children, Everydaywomanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18177067303981498522noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1542806651392353413.post-49950949814595644762009-09-05T08:47:50.210-07:002009-09-05T08:47:50.210-07:00I admit to being more than a little shocked that a...I admit to being more than a little shocked that anyone is supporting the idea of background checks for having children. Seriously people. Listen to it again. Background checks by the government to decide who can and cannot have CHILDREN! You may not cherish your basic rights but I sure do. I mourn as each small freedom is stripped from us by our government. But THIS goes beyond. How very very Kimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14463854174263713032noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1542806651392353413.post-8407102029022967782009-09-05T08:28:13.655-07:002009-09-05T08:28:13.655-07:00Farmer's Daughter - I think you hit the nail o...Farmer's Daughter - I think you hit the nail on the head in isolating the population most likely to have IVF. To me, this begs the question "If the intended result is to reduce child abuse, is this the most effective and efficient way to achieve that result?" Someone else mentioned curbing teen pregnancies, which seems like something that EVERYBODY could agree would be a good idea (Brookehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04406898921149749562noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1542806651392353413.post-32472581277415345432009-09-05T05:05:27.511-07:002009-09-05T05:05:27.511-07:00knottymama I agree with what you say. I certainly...knottymama I agree with what you say. I certainly don't mean to trivialize infertility by comparing it to cosmetic surgery. However, in my mind, they're both elective.<br /><br />I also think that the government/health care system DOES weed out people based on cost. It's just not as blatantly obvious as the Australian law. Let's look at WHO can afford IVF (or any other Farmer's Daughterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04993260095409544097noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1542806651392353413.post-24457531425657283442009-09-05T02:01:15.078-07:002009-09-05T02:01:15.078-07:00I think everyone should have a background check be...I think everyone should have a background check before being allowed to procreate (natural,ivf,adoption).<br />psych evaluation and criminal record check...call me fascist but i think it would make for a happier world.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1542806651392353413.post-46701437349723369212009-09-05T00:43:02.313-07:002009-09-05T00:43:02.313-07:00I'm all for this law, I wish we had it here. I...I'm all for this law, I wish we had it here. I think there should be at least the same requirements for IVF as for adoption. I think it's interesting no one mentioned the whole pedophlia motovation for adoption. My Aunt and Uncle considered adopting and they had to do classes, background checks, the works. Because if you want to adopt a kid for free it has to be going to a good home. I koolchickenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14929421760488763997noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1542806651392353413.post-76448504327334660842009-09-04T23:19:17.916-07:002009-09-04T23:19:17.916-07:00Well we already have laws (and more states are doi...Well we already have laws (and more states are doing it)preventing perfectly good people from adopting children, so my girst intsinct is why not for everyone. Maybe those right wing blow holes would be happy if you had to take out a license to have children. And maybe one for marriage- making it as hard to get married as it is to get divorced. Make it like getting a driver's license...But Robj98168https://www.blogger.com/profile/12449968557883132353noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1542806651392353413.post-72849770848829117832009-09-04T19:18:41.468-07:002009-09-04T19:18:41.468-07:00My mother always said, "You have to have a li...My mother always said, "You have to have a license to open a business or drive a car, but any-old-one can become a parent."Michellehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14894152513746944497noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1542806651392353413.post-65464987502237481742009-09-04T18:26:44.481-07:002009-09-04T18:26:44.481-07:00Farmer's Daughter - I think that people who st...Farmer's Daughter - I think that people who struggle with infertility might see it a little differently. Reproduction itself is absolutely a privilege, but I don't see any difference from one medical procedure to another in terms of rights or privileges. One's ability to pay for medical treatment is often the biggest factor in determining if a person deserves the treatment. If I "Brookehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04406898921149749562noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1542806651392353413.post-74945526082830096752009-09-04T16:19:23.981-07:002009-09-04T16:19:23.981-07:00"Should all individuals have to pass a backgr..."Should all individuals have to pass a background check before they are allowed to procreate?" - PLEASE, don;t give them ideas!! <br /><br />And I'm only half-kidding, unfortunately ;)Kathyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03842351794208864728noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1542806651392353413.post-30122862245443219852009-09-04T16:00:45.267-07:002009-09-04T16:00:45.267-07:00Honestly I don't think it is fair. I have two...Honestly I don't think it is fair. I have two babies in my extended family that will be born via IVF this year. Both of these couples would pass a police check but IVF is a process that is emotionally challenging enough without throwing more red tape in their way.<br /><br />I think reproduction is a privilege, although seldom treated as such these days. IVF is only one way to reproduce. belindahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14527301341792643347noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1542806651392353413.post-56748631044283204692009-09-04T14:20:58.850-07:002009-09-04T14:20:58.850-07:00Hey Crunchy!
Just wanted to let you know I referre...Hey Crunchy!<br />Just wanted to let you know I referred (and linked) to your post on "local-washing"... as there as weirdly been an occurrence in my neck of the woods recently. also, can we maybe imply that you coined it?? :)<br /><br />on the police check post- unfortunately it's a bit "Big Brother" for my liking, and I say this because I do believe that many people Eco Yoginihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10693080137196812405noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1542806651392353413.post-29153860592577495402009-09-04T13:53:47.310-07:002009-09-04T13:53:47.310-07:00knottymama- I wouldn't classify IVF in the sam...knottymama- I wouldn't classify IVF in the same category as open-heart surgery. You won't die if you don't have children.<br /><br />Maybe in the same category as elective surgeries? Not that having a child is like breast implants, but it's certainly not like open-heart surgery.Farmer's Daughterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04993260095409544097noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1542806651392353413.post-11932394022578493442009-09-04T13:48:20.772-07:002009-09-04T13:48:20.772-07:00Terra- I meant it's impossible to keep people ...Terra- I meant it's impossible to keep people from reproducing. I am well aware of the fact that forced sterilizations occured here in the US (Read the book _The Mismeasure of Man_).Farmer's Daughterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04993260095409544097noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1542806651392353413.post-9101468648488850972009-09-04T11:55:27.983-07:002009-09-04T11:55:27.983-07:00Nice can of worms Crunch!
Any regulation will cau...Nice can of worms Crunch!<br /><br />Any regulation will cause a debate. I think there should be regulation, simply to protect others from some of the wackos out there, but I'm not sure about laws. It's a slippery slope once you start legislating what people deem as their natural and religious rights.<br /><br />I voted yes as long as everyone procreating had to... just because a thinkSpicenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1542806651392353413.post-75072435005388422902009-09-04T11:38:09.362-07:002009-09-04T11:38:09.362-07:00My thoughts on voting "no" included many...My thoughts on voting "no" included many that are mentioned here - e.g. "octomom." Perhaps these background checks would be more appropriate if they were more psychological than criminal - the thought of spending so much time and hope and effort trying to create life, and then with the possibilities of miscarriage, neonatal death (e.g. prematurity, multiples, etc.)... Erikahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08273431755984995387noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1542806651392353413.post-84637831445882692162009-09-04T11:07:53.444-07:002009-09-04T11:07:53.444-07:00Wow. This is truly frightening. IVF as a privilege...Wow. This is truly frightening. IVF as a privilege? Well, only if open-heart surgery is a privilege. IVF is a medical procedure. Maybe organ recipients and patients of other medical procedures should have to undergo background checks to see if they are truly worthy. What a crock. As an adoptive parent, I have no issues with the strict regulations for potential adoptive parents. Is it unfair that Brookehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04406898921149749562noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1542806651392353413.post-35584689841525127832009-09-04T09:34:31.188-07:002009-09-04T09:34:31.188-07:00Before I had kids I used to lament how low the bar...Before I had kids I used to lament how low the bar was to procreating. Now that I have them, I think that any barriers are inappropriate. It's such a slippery slope. How can you ever qualify or disqualify someone from such a basic human act? And how can you even evaluate, on paper, someone's fitness to parent? There are so many factors at play that are just not quantifiable.<br /><br />I&Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1542806651392353413.post-58786233321534243112009-09-04T09:05:17.342-07:002009-09-04T09:05:17.342-07:00I agree with the others who commented. IVF seems ...I agree with the others who commented. IVF seems to, more often than not, result in multiple births. Octomom jaded us to the thought, and adoption DOES require a whole lot more scrutiny than it maybe should, IMO.<br /><br />I agree with the forced background checks for the above reasons. Color me fascist.Oldnovicehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17714134603537886606noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1542806651392353413.post-58213956170865108072009-09-04T08:43:33.534-07:002009-09-04T08:43:33.534-07:00Well said, Merri, and well said Anna.
-SandraWell said, Merri, and well said Anna.<br />-SandraAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1542806651392353413.post-42227240803821354672009-09-04T07:34:30.954-07:002009-09-04T07:34:30.954-07:00I can see the "Octomom" argument. I see ...I can see the "Octomom" argument. I see a huge difference between a poor women with no access to birth control who gets pregrnant by acceident and a well educated women who is trying to have as many babies as possible just for the hell of it. <br /><br />Still, if you start with background checks, where does it all stop? The whole thing is very slippery slope and I'm not sure we Katyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02610117543051640146noreply@blogger.com