tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1542806651392353413.post2653271616702328791..comments2024-03-26T00:14:00.509-07:00Comments on Crunchy Chicken: The other white meatUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger56125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1542806651392353413.post-22723983495957807732008-07-11T05:03:00.000-07:002008-07-11T05:03:00.000-07:00Good Job! :)Good Job! :)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1542806651392353413.post-65849825093546981292008-07-02T19:31:00.000-07:002008-07-02T19:31:00.000-07:00The reason you need antibiotics with industrial an...The reason you need antibiotics with industrial animals is simple: all species exhibit stress when confined to overcrowded environments. Stress leads to a much higher frequency of illness. The antibiotics are preventative. It may be that they grow faster/bigger but the money also says don't lose half your pigs before they are harvestable. <BR/><BR/>After reading Omnivore' Dilemma I am skeptical Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1542806651392353413.post-83531275740662474562008-07-02T16:24:00.000-07:002008-07-02T16:24:00.000-07:00darned, I have been eating raw and severely underc...darned, I have been eating raw and severely undercooked meats for decades in Europe, Asia, and the US. <BR/><BR/>I also graze through my garden and there are lots of birds helping with fertilizing. <BR/><BR/>Maybe I am sick and don't know?Beckyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12142567840717682689noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1542806651392353413.post-47659241596506778832008-07-02T14:09:00.000-07:002008-07-02T14:09:00.000-07:00abbie b, I'm a locally-produced pork girl myself (...abbie b, I'm a locally-produced pork girl myself (ironically, right after I left my last comment I checked my email and one said "My mom wants to know if you want half a pig?") It's not hard in the midwest.<BR/> <BR/>But the national standards aren't really there for the small farmer-consumer relationship, they're there for the giant agricorps, and as such they have to either be absolutist or setAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1542806651392353413.post-32960525993644733742008-07-02T11:01:00.000-07:002008-07-02T11:01:00.000-07:00Blonde Overboard- what parts ya interested in?? ...Blonde Overboard- what parts ya interested in?? 8-)Greenpahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17224906349154302210noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1542806651392353413.post-1523105219855029892008-07-02T09:26:00.000-07:002008-07-02T09:26:00.000-07:00Bacteria and parasites in animals used for food do...Bacteria and parasites in animals used for food do not necessarily pose a problem to those eating those animals. We are clearly ignoring several important steps here. <BR/>1. Where are those bacteria/parasites and is there a risk that they will contaminate the edible parts? I.e. if these organisms are in the gut and you eat the muscle there is nothing to worry about unless the preparer is nemohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13841445502443936917noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1542806651392353413.post-5405571091253607672008-07-01T22:47:00.000-07:002008-07-01T22:47:00.000-07:00Considering that there are still contaminants on f...Considering that there are still contaminants on fruits and veggies, I still think it is a better (and realistic) option for people to go at least partially veg*n. <BR/><BR/>And then look at why the pigs are being kept in conditions that would lead to infections to begin with.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17516857232705292830noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1542806651392353413.post-88407671532508275602008-07-01T20:27:00.000-07:002008-07-01T20:27:00.000-07:00Angel B - Hmm, let's see... the NIH, CDC, FDA, and...Angel B - Hmm, let's see... the NIH, CDC, FDA, and NGOs interested in food safety. <BR/><BR/>I don't know about you, but I like to keep my science separate from the industry that benefits from it. At least directly.Crunchy Chickenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10612320939936593420noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1542806651392353413.post-23495984712844518952008-07-01T20:01:00.000-07:002008-07-01T20:01:00.000-07:00Who did you expect to fund this study? The tomato...Who did you expect to fund this study? The tomato growers union? OF COURSE the pork industry funded this study. It is in their interest to find out the impact of different ways of maintaining their livestock. Contrary to popular opinion, science doesn't pay for itself. No one says, "I think I'll put a couple of million toward researching x" without some kind of agenda. Does that mean the Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1542806651392353413.post-62433225686828813672008-07-01T19:46:00.000-07:002008-07-01T19:46:00.000-07:00arduous - Gardenburgers are GROSS! That and they c...arduous - Gardenburgers are GROSS! That and they contain cheese and lots of dairy -- I'd pull them permanently if I could! <BR/><BR/>Personally, I avoid fake meats like the plague. They are basically over-processed junk food. That, and anything with soy protein isolates makes me nauseous and puts me out for the night.<BR/><BR/>Being vegan is pretty darned safe - tainted tomatoes aside (I grow Jennhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16304420774638468362noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1542806651392353413.post-40419787727110597042008-07-01T19:34:00.000-07:002008-07-01T19:34:00.000-07:00greenpa - "Pulled vegan is pretty ok, but like La ...greenpa - "Pulled vegan is pretty ok, but like La Crunch says; add plenty of spices."<BR/><BR/>what part ya pullin?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1542806651392353413.post-4444268106658917332008-07-01T19:17:00.000-07:002008-07-01T19:17:00.000-07:00I will just add my two cents: given the tomato deb...I will just add my two cents: given the tomato debacle, being a vegan isn't necessarily the magic answer either. My main concern with veganism is that a lot of vegans I know (though probably fewer vegans on this blog) rely a lot on processed faux meat. And that faux meat can be compromised as well. Apparently Gardenburgers (the original variety) got pulled for a month. No one's saying why, but ruchihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17043512641324366469noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1542806651392353413.post-50339147238644945202008-07-01T18:58:00.000-07:002008-07-01T18:58:00.000-07:00Whoa, Crunchy Chicken. I'm afraid you've bypassed ...Whoa, Crunchy Chicken. I'm afraid you've bypassed my threshold of knowledge. We've gotten ourselves in a nice predicament, haven't we?<BR/><BR/>What's an innocent organic food consumer to do? Well-- time to assume the fetal position...Nia H.https://www.blogger.com/profile/03800037540381593360noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1542806651392353413.post-68847392806454378932008-07-01T18:33:00.000-07:002008-07-01T18:33:00.000-07:00Isn't it nice to live in a country where we can be...Isn't it nice to live in a country where we can be finicky about our pork? There are plenty of people in this world who would gladly take our pork, cook the hell out of it, and be happy campers. That being said I will continue to cook my pork to the safety standards or freeze it as necessary.Sharlenehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08539955929237988325noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1542806651392353413.post-91573308189645371232008-07-01T16:00:00.000-07:002008-07-01T16:00:00.000-07:00Becca- "Just a thought, but are Vegans really safe...Becca- "Just a thought, but are Vegans really safe these days either? "<BR/><BR/>most of the vegans we've eaten recently have been pretty raunchy- so we go with the pressure cooker, just to be sure. Pulled vegan is pretty ok, but like La Crunch says; add plenty of spices.Greenpahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17224906349154302210noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1542806651392353413.post-23048909210741449492008-07-01T15:44:00.000-07:002008-07-01T15:44:00.000-07:00The obvious argument will be just to choose a vega...<I>The obvious argument will be just to choose a vegan or vegetarian diet and you then eliminate all chance of meat-borne pathogens, but let's face it, that's just not a realistic answer.</I><BR/><BR/>Crunchy - I'm curious to know why that's not a realistic answer. Even going "part-time" vegetarian (or vegan) would help reduce risk of illness through contaminated meat (or animal) foods and wouldJennhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16304420774638468362noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1542806651392353413.post-10331466095454917482008-07-01T15:40:00.000-07:002008-07-01T15:40:00.000-07:00in the end, i think that all you can do is weigh t...in the end, i think that all you can do is weigh the risks and the benefits and use good judgement when it comes to what you put in and on your body. cook meats thoroughly, wash your hands well and often using good technique (soap, friction, clean water and time)and don't believe everything you read. there are 3 kinds of lies.. lies, damned lies and statistics. studies can be manipulated by Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1542806651392353413.post-46597945178876972412008-07-01T14:37:00.000-07:002008-07-01T14:37:00.000-07:00If you are going to eat the critter, for gods sake...If you are going to eat the critter, for gods sake cook it thoroughly. I,like Rob, grew up thinking pork chops and shoe leather were synonymous.equa yona(Big Bear)https://www.blogger.com/profile/09077234314632732773noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1542806651392353413.post-1842163587142612752008-07-01T13:18:00.000-07:002008-07-01T13:18:00.000-07:00So did the study check E. coli counts? Hmmmmmm? I ...So did the study check E. coli counts? Hmmmmmm? I bet they just forgot...e4https://www.blogger.com/profile/13435927076587347401noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1542806651392353413.post-5086873311362338082008-07-01T12:54:00.000-07:002008-07-01T12:54:00.000-07:00soylent green is ...people?soylent green is ...people?Robj98168https://www.blogger.com/profile/12449968557883132353noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1542806651392353413.post-39691894532846250402008-07-01T12:41:00.000-07:002008-07-01T12:41:00.000-07:00I don't eat "organic" food - at least not "organic...I don't eat "organic" food - at least not "organic" labeled food from the grocery store. I've read all of the statistics and research, and in my opinion, if it was raised in a monoculture (food or plant), regardless of the label, there are bound to be problems. <BR/><BR/>Instead, I raise what I can, all of our eggs, much of our produce, and recently some of our meat, I buy dry items in bulk (Wendyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04642417312794814066noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1542806651392353413.post-51865287445892091632008-07-01T12:23:00.000-07:002008-07-01T12:23:00.000-07:00Doesn't affect me being veggie for nearly 20 years...Doesn't affect me being veggie for nearly 20 years, but the fact that it's paid for by the pork industry makes ya go hmmmmm.<BR/>Anyone who's seen the real side of monstanto (watch the documentaries! seriously!) will know that reports can be played with to reflect the outcome they choose to portray.<BR/>On a similar note, did anyone see that monsanto are trying to patent the pig? WTH?Spot-Onhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15798035189811731749noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1542806651392353413.post-8920826753348974902008-07-01T12:01:00.000-07:002008-07-01T12:01:00.000-07:00Rosa,Yes, I understand the issue with the antibiot...Rosa,<BR/>Yes, I understand the issue with the antibiotics in the food being a problem, treating all the animals due to confinement making them more likely to get sick.<BR/>However, as someone who lived for the first 26 years of her life on a small, family run farm, I have a problem with the idea that animals have never been treated with antibiotics. For example, it's easy to dump the milk of a Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1542806651392353413.post-6870941725610846632008-07-01T11:59:00.000-07:002008-07-01T11:59:00.000-07:00Yowza, great post, I am most intrigued (got a baco...Yowza, great post, I am most intrigued (got a bacon lover in my home). My dad won't eat Wilbur 'cause pigs are so smart -- and he's not even a strict vegetarian -- just no pig. Love Greenpa's point about how germ phobic we all are (myself most definitely included).JessTrevhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11000531822628182708noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1542806651392353413.post-5907105054498448222008-07-01T10:25:00.000-07:002008-07-01T10:25:00.000-07:00all i can say is... "Ack!"all i can say is... "Ack!"hoorayparadehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01013856920838114451noreply@blogger.com