tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1542806651392353413.post4187004739838100085..comments2024-03-26T00:14:00.509-07:00Comments on Crunchy Chicken: Unschooling - what do you think?Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger215125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1542806651392353413.post-44050284686622676582011-10-05T10:13:47.803-07:002011-10-05T10:13:47.803-07:00I think you need a mix of both "unschooling&q...I think you need a mix of both "unschooling" and more formal education. I like the idea that nothing teaches better than life experience and my kids have gained a lot from it but there is a place in the world for disciplines. Math, science, language and many other disciplines need to be taught. When properly balanced, these disciplines will combine with life experiences to create Lennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1542806651392353413.post-38289278747210979612011-08-14T22:15:38.101-07:002011-08-14T22:15:38.101-07:00"As an adult the majority of your learning wi..."As an adult the majority of your learning will come unexpectedly."<br /><br />Indeed. I know that from being self-educated since my twenties. And now that I'm enjoying life in the Tim Berners-Lee-Steve Jobs Educational Complex, I'm free to learn everything I want to learn (including acquiring academic qualifications if I choose to), where, when and how it suits me. If I like, Bob Collierhttp://www.parental-intelligence.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1542806651392353413.post-76768506471644085842011-08-14T10:13:46.702-07:002011-08-14T10:13:46.702-07:00We only go to school to really learn how to use in...We only go to school to really learn how to use information, plug in more facts, build a base knowledge of tools for more advanced fields, and if your not like me, well, make friends that last a life time. None of us are born knowing what we need. Not the school district, government, or our own flesh and blood. Our future is wide open for at least 80 years once we are born into the world. There Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1542806651392353413.post-61360351464158360872010-09-15T10:37:41.331-07:002010-09-15T10:37:41.331-07:00I am a freshman in college, and I was unschooled. ...I am a freshman in college, and I was unschooled. I feel like it very much prepared me for the reading and writing parts of college, which are quite intense. I am also a tad more organized than my classmates. I have to brush up on my science and math skills, but I am not totally behind or anything, and I feel like I'll be okay. Most people at my school think its pretty cool!<br /><br />RaivynnRaivynnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02321792342057388532noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1542806651392353413.post-88080472114544600572010-05-25T08:36:18.332-07:002010-05-25T08:36:18.332-07:00"They have no discipline nor do they know any..."They have no discipline nor do they know any boundaries."<br /><br />I suspect that says more about a parenting style/approach than unschooling or even radical unschooling.<br /><br />I've known conventionally schooled children I wouldn't let into my house for the same reasons: the parents are not active participants in their children's lives and/or do not take on the ipsahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01180832647715611790noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1542806651392353413.post-67888826961467139352010-05-25T03:24:50.952-07:002010-05-25T03:24:50.952-07:00If I were going to tell a lie, I would probably us...If I were going to tell a lie, I would probably use "anonymous," but I never do. <br /><br />I don't lie and I always use my name. Put his hand in the garbage disposal... That's nonsense. <br /><br />My middle son, Marty, went to a Jr. Police Academy for a week when he was fourteen. At their graduation, the sergeant was effusive about how wonderful it had been to have Sandra Doddhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11853107998229753762noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1542806651392353413.post-8923016713492579352010-05-24T23:21:58.115-07:002010-05-24T23:21:58.115-07:00Sadly, there are people that think that unschoolin...Sadly, there are people that think that unschooling is about letting your child do whatever they get in their head to do. We have radically unschooled for about 5 years now, and I think that these people have really misinterpreted the philosophy. I've known a few myself, and have ended up following sticky hands around with a washcloth in front on another mom, who thought nothing of it. <brJoannanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1542806651392353413.post-3387139138190338482010-05-24T09:25:47.891-07:002010-05-24T09:25:47.891-07:00I know lots of parents who unschool their kids, an...I know lots of parents who unschool their kids, and not a single one of their children are allowed in my house. They have no discipline nor do they know any boundaries. I actually had to yell at an eight year old to not stick his hand in a garbage disposal and flip the switch while his father just ignored him. But I guess getting your hand chewed up is a type of learning...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1542806651392353413.post-32639997340113230162010-05-20T21:56:26.722-07:002010-05-20T21:56:26.722-07:00I guess I should have written "how school equ...I guess I should have written "how school equals grades to you." I was paraphrasing what I believed to be your intended message, not stating mine.<br /><br />In any case, I think unschooling is a very interesting concept, and I "steal", or naturally just incorporate, parts of what I believe this to be into my family's day-to-day, and am always interested in hearing more Leslinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1542806651392353413.post-76095681236752453462010-05-18T14:09:06.718-07:002010-05-18T14:09:06.718-07:00"More interesting is that my comment regardin..."More interesting is that my comment regarding school equals grades to you. That's not how it was meant, at all, particularly as my children go to a school where there aren't grades assigned. Public school, to boot! You've really got to loosen your grip on those stereotypes and preconceived notions."<br /><br />Schools don't equal grades. Those are your words not mine.<Jenny Cyphershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16617177968798413772noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1542806651392353413.post-17223672086346083522010-05-16T17:28:21.752-07:002010-05-16T17:28:21.752-07:00Lesli: "My point; children who go to school a...Lesli: "My point; children who go to school are not universally coerced. Not my original point; who's to say there aren't some unschooled children out there who are coerced in some way?"<br /><br />You: "Interesting take on grades."<br /><br />More interesting is that my comment regarding school equals grades to you. That's not how it was meant, at all, Leslinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1542806651392353413.post-90590708750298198202010-05-16T12:22:33.892-07:002010-05-16T12:22:33.892-07:00"My point; children who go to school are not ..."My point; children who go to school are not universally coerced. Not my original point; who's to say there aren't some unschooled children out there who are coerced in some way?"<br /><br />Interesting take on grades. I always found the whole grading system to be rather coercive. It IS the way in which schools get kids to do the "work". It IS the way in which kids Jenny Cyphershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16617177968798413772noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1542806651392353413.post-903442597622379762010-05-16T06:53:59.066-07:002010-05-16T06:53:59.066-07:00"But then you'd be going against common s..."But then you'd be going against common sense, the experience of many others AND "research into more advanced concepts and theories backing it up.""<br /><br />You write this response to my comment as if you believe that non-traditional methods of education are the only ways that ideal learning conditions can be met, and that is where the disconnect is, because that's Leslinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1542806651392353413.post-89808356016825273682010-05-15T21:51:44.037-07:002010-05-15T21:51:44.037-07:00Rebecca wrote: "I do have valid and informed ...Rebecca wrote: "I do have valid and informed criticisms (and suggestions) about public education and I know that unschooling addresses these concerns much more efficiently and effectively than an overhaul of the education system."<br /><br />Both of my children went to private schools as it happens. Am I glad my son is out of school now? Of course. The digital revolution absolutely Bob Collierhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08363227751288883746noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1542806651392353413.post-60181929026138343132010-05-15T20:06:08.094-07:002010-05-15T20:06:08.094-07:00This conversation is starting to have a Someone is...This conversation is starting to have a <a href="http://xkcd.com/386/" rel="nofollow">Someone is <i>Wrong</i> on the Internet!</a> feeling.<br /><br />I love to answer questions and help people understand unschooling better (and my rationales for choosing it), but trading put-downs just seems like a huge waste of everyone's time.<br /><br />Thanks, Crunchy, for providing people the ipsahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01180832647715611790noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1542806651392353413.post-53875790432284586332010-05-15T20:05:30.623-07:002010-05-15T20:05:30.623-07:00Leslie said, "Joanna, I'm no stranger to...Leslie said, "Joanna, I'm no stranger to what researchers into learning have found, and what you've written is, in it's very simplified version, surely part of what is posited." <br /><br />So we agree then. <br /><br />Leslie said: "What you wrote, though, seems not so much the result of research but just common sense, with research into more advanced concepts and Joannanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1542806651392353413.post-20749044557929385792010-05-15T19:50:48.910-07:002010-05-15T19:50:48.910-07:00"Why take the time when it's so clearly n..."Why take the time when it's so clearly not relevant?"<br /><br />Those snippets <i>are</i> relevant as they illustrate your ongoing reaction to unschooling parents in the context of this thread.<br /><br />"What on earth....this is a prime example of faulty logic."<br /><br />I used it to point out faulty logic.<br /><br />"There is no one best answer for everybody.ipsahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01180832647715611790noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1542806651392353413.post-35071552808118713122010-05-15T18:47:37.918-07:002010-05-15T18:47:37.918-07:00Joanna, I'm no stranger to what researchers in...Joanna, I'm no stranger to what researchers into learning have found, and what you've written is, in it's very simplified version, surely part of what is posited. What you wrote, though, seems not so much the result of research but just common sense, with research into more advanced concepts and theories backing it up. <br /><br />Also true is that unschooling is not the only way Leslinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1542806651392353413.post-45368994398645652122010-05-15T18:18:33.379-07:002010-05-15T18:18:33.379-07:00Leslie: "There is no one best answer for eve...Leslie: "There is no one best answer for everybody."<br /><br />Researchers that study learning do actually know what some of the best answers are--kind of like the principles that should apply to situations, but schools are generally not designed to support those principles. That doesn't mean that they couldn't be, but most of them just aren't. There was a big attempt inJoannanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1542806651392353413.post-4088089469146495012010-05-15T17:48:49.693-07:002010-05-15T17:48:49.693-07:00Please don't take my comments out of context. ...Please don't take my comments out of context. Here is the context from which my statement was made:<br /><br />You wrote: "People who understand and practice unschooling do not need to use coercion with their children. These may not be comfortable ideas for you, but they are what they are."<br /><br />This is to what I was responding, clearly, I might add. So as far as my other Leslinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1542806651392353413.post-43847313856273082652010-05-15T17:31:03.604-07:002010-05-15T17:31:03.604-07:00"Rebecca, this has nothing to do with my bein..."Rebecca, this has nothing to do with my being comfortable."<br /><br />Lesli, in this discussion you have written:<br /><br />"I have to add that I'm bothered"<br />"very disappointing"<br />"nasty regarding this topic"<br />"is asinine, at best"<br />"I'm bothered"<br />"Your stance perplexes me"<br />"This ipsahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01180832647715611790noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1542806651392353413.post-3821667215236493252010-05-15T16:45:06.503-07:002010-05-15T16:45:06.503-07:00To further explain my prior comment in case it'...To further explain my prior comment in case it's needed....simply not being present in the classroom does not necessary mean parents are not engaged.Leslinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1542806651392353413.post-8609219127364835942010-05-15T16:37:25.396-07:002010-05-15T16:37:25.396-07:00"Also, unless a parent is present 100% of the..."Also, unless a parent is present 100% of the time in a child's classroom, there is no possible way that a parent can be fully engaged in a child's learning process. It's simply not possible."<br /><br />With all of the freedom that unschooled children are said to have, I would think that those children also do not have their parents immediately present 100% of the time, Leslinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1542806651392353413.post-38369427209114938842010-05-15T16:34:20.331-07:002010-05-15T16:34:20.331-07:00"Unschooling families don't need to prose..."Unschooling families don't need to proselytize."<br /><br />Hmmm. Rebecca, who has been proselytizing here?Leslinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1542806651392353413.post-63130422680355448822010-05-15T16:17:13.762-07:002010-05-15T16:17:13.762-07:00Rebecca, this has nothing to do with my being comf...Rebecca, this has nothing to do with my being comfortable. We're just going to have to agree to disagree. I am apparently more open to the idea that just because something seems best for one person that doesn't automatically mean it is best for all others. Your blanket statements don't apply, period. <br /><br />By the way, not every school or schooling method is about giving Leslinoreply@blogger.com