tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1542806651392353413.post3432557964234787663..comments2024-03-26T00:14:00.509-07:00Comments on Crunchy Chicken: Save a horse, eat a cowboyUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger40125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1542806651392353413.post-1473683576407870012008-03-21T01:40:00.000-07:002008-03-21T01:40:00.000-07:00GreenPa,Yes, it really does happen. Too frequentl...GreenPa,<BR/><BR/>Yes, it really does happen. Too frequently, I'm afraid. It's a serious concern for all horse people and one that most of them are far too familiar with.<BR/><BR/>If the government programs are failing, it's because instead of protecting and allowing wild horses to roam the truly wild range, they're bringing them into civilization to domesticate them. Or they're allowing Isle Dancehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04755103029114698264noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1542806651392353413.post-79266808581083861582008-03-18T22:57:00.000-07:002008-03-18T22:57:00.000-07:00I am a vegetarian, but if someone wants to eat a h...I am a vegetarian, but if someone wants to eat a horse, I really don't see how that's any different than eating a cow! <BR/><BR/>In fact, it seems to me that it would be more wasteful to not use the horse somehow if it could provide food to people who don't have cultural squeemishness about it.<BR/><BR/>Also, I don't know why someone would keep a huge animal like a horse for a pet anyway.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1542806651392353413.post-59085563745456044122008-03-18T14:13:00.000-07:002008-03-18T14:13:00.000-07:00e4, thank you for sharing your opinion respectfull...e4, thank you for sharing your opinion respectfully. I respect you as well and your right to your opinions. :)<BR/><BR/>I have no problem with preserving the genetic diversity of edible plants (excepting, of course, GMO plants.)Chilehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11406176434011890590noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1542806651392353413.post-52502233854960787202008-03-18T11:52:00.000-07:002008-03-18T11:52:00.000-07:00Chile - You know how much respect I have for you r...Chile - You know how much respect I have for you right? A lot. So I'm hesitant to even engage in this discussion.<BR/><BR/>Non-domesticated cattle breeds have been extinct since around the 17th century. But even without that, think of the genetic loss! Imagine if we eliminated all domesticated tomato varieties, or potatoes, or peppers. That would be devastating. I could never get behind that.e4https://www.blogger.com/profile/13435927076587347401noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1542806651392353413.post-48968539648029376522008-03-18T10:29:00.000-07:002008-03-18T10:29:00.000-07:00I had heard that in Texas were the horse meat is a...I had heard that in Texas were the horse meat is already illegal, the judge base his decision on the fact he never saw the cowboys in western movies eat their horses.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1542806651392353413.post-81903124549175851282008-03-18T00:59:00.000-07:002008-03-18T00:59:00.000-07:00How do we decide which animals are food and which ...How do we decide which animals are food and which ones are pets? I have cats that I adore, and I feed them chicken and fish. Why are the cats part of the family and the chickens and fish merely food? Cuz the kitties are furry and warm and snuggly. But that doesn't mean that in other parts of the world they couldn't be meat. Yes, I find the idea of eating a cat repugnant, but that's just my Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1542806651392353413.post-48768228765729386132008-03-17T20:17:00.000-07:002008-03-17T20:17:00.000-07:00DC- I'm still not buying it. Yes, it's written ve...DC- I'm still not buying it. Yes, it's written very narrowly - so they can get it passed; but, several points-<BR/><BR/>People sell horses and don't know where they're going? I REALLY doubt that happens often. You have a horse: you hang around with other horsey people- you gossip. I guarantee. The idea sells well to folks though - "poor innocent horse owners are being tricked!" Seriously- Greenpahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17224906349154302210noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1542806651392353413.post-16430759053284152792008-03-17T20:11:00.000-07:002008-03-17T20:11:00.000-07:00I have been reading this blog for a while, I'm a D...I have been reading this blog for a while, I'm a Diva cup divaee who also rides horses. Within the last two years of slaughter being outlawed in the United States, coupled with a drought across most of America, the horse market is in a severe slump. <BR/><BR/>Many horses are dying of starvation. Good trainers and breeders are struggling to keep their businesses alive because the market is Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1542806651392353413.post-22538475420962912442008-03-17T19:45:00.000-07:002008-03-17T19:45:00.000-07:00DC - thanks for the well-written followup.DC - thanks for the well-written followup.Crunchy Chickenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10612320939936593420noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1542806651392353413.post-12344327573398704722008-03-17T19:31:00.000-07:002008-03-17T19:31:00.000-07:00This is getting off-topic from Crunchy Chicken's p...This is getting off-topic from Crunchy Chicken's post...<BR/><BR/>Quoting e4: "If we relied on zoos, we'd lose untold genetic diversity in whichever species is in question. There are a hundred varieties of cows and a hundred of chickens. All the zoos in the world couldn't maintain that kind of diversity."<BR/><BR/>In this scenario, if we were relying on zoos to preserve genetic diversity, it Chilehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11406176434011890590noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1542806651392353413.post-69437008078760856532008-03-17T19:24:00.000-07:002008-03-17T19:24:00.000-07:00Well, I just looked at the text of the bill, and C...Well, I just looked at the text of the bill, and Crunchy is absolutely right that it is very narrowly drafted. It only prevents slaughter for human consumption -- and there is a specific reason for the legislation. Apparently, most of the horses that are slaughtered are in good condition and are not unwanted, but rather wind up in slaughterhouses by happenstance. People selling their horses DChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16638079335012155807noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1542806651392353413.post-51405013432359843512008-03-17T19:17:00.000-07:002008-03-17T19:17:00.000-07:00I don't really understand. If"this provides protec...I don't really understand. If<BR/>"this provides protection for those horse owners who don't want to see their animals eaten" then why don't they just sell their horses to people who won't kill them??!! I think a pet owner has to take responsibility for the entire life of an animal, whether it's a pet or useful/not useful as a beast of burden. If you're going to sell it, you're responsible for Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1542806651392353413.post-63676090485501609402008-03-17T18:48:00.000-07:002008-03-17T18:48:00.000-07:00I'm pretty sure people were eating cows and pigs a...I'm pretty sure people were eating cows and pigs and chickens long before advertising and meat & dairy councils came along. And horses, goats, raccoons, and rats.<BR/><BR/>A good farm will mimic a real ecosystem - and real ecosystems have animals as well as plants. Is it better to run tractors to plow up grasslands so we can grow more soybeans, or to leave that soil intact, with perennial grassese4https://www.blogger.com/profile/13435927076587347401noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1542806651392353413.post-57695638179672335172008-03-17T17:11:00.000-07:002008-03-17T17:11:00.000-07:00I'm with greenpa. Problem with outlawing slaughter...I'm with greenpa. Problem with outlawing slaughter for human consumption is what to do with all the horses nobody wants. Horses aren't cheap to keep. I see a market being found for other uses for horse meat, and feeding it to animals comes to mind, etc...I think we're trading one bad scenario for another.<BR/><BR/>And hey, Equa Yona, one can be a meat eater and choose to eat only humanely raised Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1542806651392353413.post-34321316149656175902008-03-17T16:55:00.000-07:002008-03-17T16:55:00.000-07:00GreenpaOK, end of adult discussion.ByeGreenpa<BR/>OK, end of adult discussion.<BR/>Byeequa yona(Big Bear)https://www.blogger.com/profile/09077234314632732773noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1542806651392353413.post-12800596397329573632008-03-17T15:56:00.000-07:002008-03-17T15:56:00.000-07:00equa- oh! excuse me.equa- oh! excuse me.Greenpahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17224906349154302210noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1542806651392353413.post-38620833974947551582008-03-17T14:17:00.000-07:002008-03-17T14:17:00.000-07:00"I've almost never run into a vegan who has actual..."I've almost never run into a vegan who has actually thought about "cows" -logically, where that train goes is to a world with NO cows, at all. I don't think that's an improvement. At all."<BR/>Haven't run into many vegans/vegetarians, have ya? Most of those that I know are thoughtful and quite capable of following a thought to its possible conclusion. First off, this is a specious conclusion.equa yona(Big Bear)https://www.blogger.com/profile/09077234314632732773noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1542806651392353413.post-71076719101034907412008-03-17T13:16:00.000-07:002008-03-17T13:16:00.000-07:00I think I'm with most of the other posters. I don'...I think I'm with most of the other posters. I don't really see how this is different from from the industrial slaughter of other animals.<BR/><BR/>I don't agree with the methods...but if the methods are legal for one animal, then I'm unclear why it's necessary to make it illegal for another.<BR/><BR/>How about looking at reforming the whole system instead?Kimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11877639327788299519noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1542806651392353413.post-80128761554200968042008-03-17T13:09:00.000-07:002008-03-17T13:09:00.000-07:00I don't really see the difference between eating h...I don't really see the difference between eating horse or any other meat. But inhumane treatment of any animal, whether we think of it as food or not, is wrong. Maybe bills like this can be used to raise awareness of the horrible way most animals are slaughtered, not just horses. I guess we have to start somewhere.Mrs. Gregortonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11991897359205856217noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1542806651392353413.post-90165139719168141002008-03-17T12:21:00.000-07:002008-03-17T12:21:00.000-07:00If someone wants to eat horse, I say let them eat ...If someone wants to eat horse, I say let them eat horse.<BR/><BR/>Some very high end chefs in France believe the best way to make fries is in horse fat. It is not available in the US.cheflovesbeerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07465100472547504037noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1542806651392353413.post-27544154050169358542008-03-17T11:38:00.000-07:002008-03-17T11:38:00.000-07:00This is a marketing issue as much as it is an anim...This is a marketing issue as much as it is an animal rights and environmental issue. The only reason people think it's ok to slaughter and eat a cow, pig or chicken, and not a horse, dog or (gulp) cat, is because of fancy ad campaigns and lobbyists at the meat and dairy council. It's the same reason people feel ok drinking milk from a cow and not from old dog Rover. Once again, the media has Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1542806651392353413.post-85433482030434716782008-03-17T11:34:00.000-07:002008-03-17T11:34:00.000-07:00I'd have to agree with everyone above... I see no ...I'd have to agree with everyone above... I see no real difference in eating a horse vs a cow vs a dog.<BR/><BR/>I don't eat any of them, but am pretty ambivilent to others eating them. (and yes, I have dogs.)<BR/><BR/>I think the REAL point should be humane raising and slaughtering of ALL animals destined for the food table, instead of the digusting commercial way that currently provides most of Jenniferhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17377889829748572675noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1542806651392353413.post-43335420586600520392008-03-17T11:11:00.000-07:002008-03-17T11:11:00.000-07:00Crunch- :-)1.- yeah, it's the foot in the door, t...Crunch- :-)<BR/><BR/>1.- yeah, it's the foot in the door, though, and we all know it, including most definitely those pushing it. Why should Fido be able to eat Flicka; when I can't?? We'll pass that bill next.<BR/><BR/>From the humanitarian standpoint- are we more careful with food in the humanfood chain, or the dogfood chain? Which is worth more? Which animal gets better care, all its lifeGreenpahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17224906349154302210noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1542806651392353413.post-17991039920142066282008-03-17T10:36:00.000-07:002008-03-17T10:36:00.000-07:00I wanted to clarify a few things.1. This bill is w...I wanted to clarify a few things.<BR/><BR/>1. This bill is worded to prevent the slaughter of horses for human consumption. Not just plain old slaughter. So, Greenpa, this is not to say that horses cannot be slaughtered to be used as dogfood. <BR/><BR/>2. These types of bills are written (there was one on the <A HREF="http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/1998/10/24/Crunchy Chickenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10612320939936593420noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1542806651392353413.post-18555011370372563602008-03-17T10:09:00.000-07:002008-03-17T10:09:00.000-07:00Yeah, I kind of agree with Donna Jean, and a lot o...Yeah, I kind of agree with Donna Jean, and a lot of other people here. Since I eat meat, and have come to my own conclusions regarding the morality of eating said meat, I don't think it's fair of me to say that certain meat (ie horses) are unacceptable. Especially since I'm not able to offer any rational or scientific reasoning to back it up. <BR/><BR/>To me, this seems like one of those laws ruchihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17043512641324366469noreply@blogger.com